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		<title>Comment on Privacy as Contextual Integrity by Technology, Thoughts, and Trinkets&#187; Twitter and Statutory Notions of Privacy</title>
		<link>http://christopher-parsons.com/readingprivacy/session1/privacy-as-contextual-integrity/comment-page-1/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Technology, Thoughts, and Trinkets&#187; Twitter and Statutory Notions of Privacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] nuanced understandings of what individuals expect o remain private online – the challenge for theorists such as Nissenbaum will be translating these insights into actionable principles and guidelines that data and privacy [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Who Gives a &#8216;Tweet&#8217; About Privacy? by Christopher</title>
		<link>http://christopher-parsons.com/readingprivacy/session1/who-gives-a-tweet-about-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 20:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is challenging to offer a response to this in a text format (so many questions/rich answers are demanded!), so I&#039;ll just try to  briefly sketch a few points that can either be picked up in conversation later, or developed in more detail here as a conversation develops.

(1) Has he thus created an expectation for the rest of you?

At the level of this particular posting, my first thought is that publicly posting our papers was a precondition of writing the paper itself. We are expected to post our work here, and this was agreed to several weeks ago. Thus, there was already an expectation that papers would be posted for the world to see. 

Stepping away from the particularities of this assignment, I would say that there isn&#039;t a necessary expectation, but instead a suggested expectation, that others would similarly &#039;reveal&#039; themselves publicly. At the same time, however, given the relative lack of publicity by some members of the reading group it would seem that there is a competing set of privacy norms (or, perhaps more likely, temporal resources) at play.

(2) Does Chris have a reaosnable expectation of privacy that I will not post those comments on this blog, even though he has posted his paper on this blog?

No, I don&#039;t. While I might have an expectation that a formal grade wouldn&#039;t appear here, I posted this with the full expectation that comments would be elicited. Now, this is again in part because an aim of the site is to encourage public discussions about papers that are posted. I have committed myself to this, and so my expectation is that others will post their full thoughts on what is written, regardless of how pleasant or unpleasant the comments/criticism might be (assuming that both remain respectful and constructive, and avoid ad hominem attacks, etc). Similarly, this would leave me with the option of challenging such critiques in this space.

(3) Do his expectations matter?

As I&#039;ve written this paper, they do. I argue that privacy norms should be examined contextually, and in the context of this environment it is an accepted norm that public critique will be elicited about what is posted. Now, at the same time there is a question (as you note in your following sentence) about the grounds of such norms. This is a space where I need to do further work; while Solove and Nissembaum suggest that the courts/conservative attitudes should form the buttress of privacy norms, I&#039;m not totally comfortable with either of those resting points. Where and how norms are then formed is something that I need to do more reading and thinking on - how do we interplay rich notions of juridical norms in legal philosophy, social critique, feminist scholarship, etc?

(5)-(6) Has he now surrendered his right to privacy with respect to this paper, and effectively given up any rights he has under the laws of BC? And if so, what expectations would that raise for the rest of you?

I think that this notion of &#039;right to privacy&#039; is what I was trying to think through. If we approach the term from a problem-based position of contextual integrity, I think that such a &#039;right&#039; can be maintained even when posting in a public space, though different normative attitudes for spaces carry with them different conditions for what is realized as &#039;private&#039; and &#039;not-private&#039;. The site&#039;s licensing itself suggests that I continue to assert particular rights surrounding the creative uses of my paper - a legal structure has not been abandoned. 

At the same time, as stated earlier, I don&#039;t think that I have a reasonable expectation that comments won&#039;t be posted about my paper on the basis of the foundational discussions that were had about how this particular space was to be used. More abstractly, however, when we think of a space where such norms have &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; already been established, we would need to think through the contextualized norms associated with speaking in that online space.

As for the expectations of others, I think that this has already been implicitly addressed in comments (1) and (2).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is challenging to offer a response to this in a text format (so many questions/rich answers are demanded!), so I&#8217;ll just try to  briefly sketch a few points that can either be picked up in conversation later, or developed in more detail here as a conversation develops.</p>
<p>(1) Has he thus created an expectation for the rest of you?</p>
<p>At the level of this particular posting, my first thought is that publicly posting our papers was a precondition of writing the paper itself. We are expected to post our work here, and this was agreed to several weeks ago. Thus, there was already an expectation that papers would be posted for the world to see. </p>
<p>Stepping away from the particularities of this assignment, I would say that there isn&#8217;t a necessary expectation, but instead a suggested expectation, that others would similarly &#8216;reveal&#8217; themselves publicly. At the same time, however, given the relative lack of publicity by some members of the reading group it would seem that there is a competing set of privacy norms (or, perhaps more likely, temporal resources) at play.</p>
<p>(2) Does Chris have a reaosnable expectation of privacy that I will not post those comments on this blog, even though he has posted his paper on this blog?</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t. While I might have an expectation that a formal grade wouldn&#8217;t appear here, I posted this with the full expectation that comments would be elicited. Now, this is again in part because an aim of the site is to encourage public discussions about papers that are posted. I have committed myself to this, and so my expectation is that others will post their full thoughts on what is written, regardless of how pleasant or unpleasant the comments/criticism might be (assuming that both remain respectful and constructive, and avoid ad hominem attacks, etc). Similarly, this would leave me with the option of challenging such critiques in this space.</p>
<p>(3) Do his expectations matter?</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve written this paper, they do. I argue that privacy norms should be examined contextually, and in the context of this environment it is an accepted norm that public critique will be elicited about what is posted. Now, at the same time there is a question (as you note in your following sentence) about the grounds of such norms. This is a space where I need to do further work; while Solove and Nissembaum suggest that the courts/conservative attitudes should form the buttress of privacy norms, I&#8217;m not totally comfortable with either of those resting points. Where and how norms are then formed is something that I need to do more reading and thinking on &#8211; how do we interplay rich notions of juridical norms in legal philosophy, social critique, feminist scholarship, etc?</p>
<p>(5)-(6) Has he now surrendered his right to privacy with respect to this paper, and effectively given up any rights he has under the laws of BC? And if so, what expectations would that raise for the rest of you?</p>
<p>I think that this notion of &#8216;right to privacy&#8217; is what I was trying to think through. If we approach the term from a problem-based position of contextual integrity, I think that such a &#8216;right&#8217; can be maintained even when posting in a public space, though different normative attitudes for spaces carry with them different conditions for what is realized as &#8216;private&#8217; and &#8216;not-private&#8217;. The site&#8217;s licensing itself suggests that I continue to assert particular rights surrounding the creative uses of my paper &#8211; a legal structure has not been abandoned. </p>
<p>At the same time, as stated earlier, I don&#8217;t think that I have a reasonable expectation that comments won&#8217;t be posted about my paper on the basis of the foundational discussions that were had about how this particular space was to be used. More abstractly, however, when we think of a space where such norms have <i>not</i> already been established, we would need to think through the contextualized norms associated with speaking in that online space.</p>
<p>As for the expectations of others, I think that this has already been implicitly addressed in comments (1) and (2).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who Gives a &#8216;Tweet&#8217; About Privacy? by Colin Bennett</title>
		<link>http://christopher-parsons.com/readingprivacy/session1/who-gives-a-tweet-about-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 03:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK.   So here&#039;s a question for the rest of you.   Chris has posted this very interesting paper for this course on the website for the world to see.   Has he thus created an expectation for the rest of you?   

Now I have responded to Chris privately with my comments.  Does Chris have a reaosnable expectation of privacy that I will not post those comments on this blog, even though he has posted his paper on this blog?   Do his expectations matter?   I, as an employee of UVIC, am governed by the law with respect to the personal information of my students -- and that includes comments on papers, and certainly grades.  But would I be justified in posting my comments online, seeing that he has posted his paper online?  Has he now surrendered his right to privacy with respect to this paper, and effectively given up any rights he has under the laws of BC?  And if so, what expectations would that raise for the rest of you?

These questions are all central to the arguments made in Chris&#039;s paper about the reasonable expectation of privacy with respect to Twitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.   So here&#8217;s a question for the rest of you.   Chris has posted this very interesting paper for this course on the website for the world to see.   Has he thus created an expectation for the rest of you?   </p>
<p>Now I have responded to Chris privately with my comments.  Does Chris have a reaosnable expectation of privacy that I will not post those comments on this blog, even though he has posted his paper on this blog?   Do his expectations matter?   I, as an employee of UVIC, am governed by the law with respect to the personal information of my students &#8212; and that includes comments on papers, and certainly grades.  But would I be justified in posting my comments online, seeing that he has posted his paper online?  Has he now surrendered his right to privacy with respect to this paper, and effectively given up any rights he has under the laws of BC?  And if so, what expectations would that raise for the rest of you?</p>
<p>These questions are all central to the arguments made in Chris&#8217;s paper about the reasonable expectation of privacy with respect to Twitter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Privacy as Contextual Integrity by Technology, Thoughts, and Trinkets &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Twitter and Privacy in Social Context</title>
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		<dc:creator>Technology, Thoughts, and Trinkets &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Twitter and Privacy in Social Context</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 08:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Helen Nissembaum would likely insist that citizen-solidarity (in terms of the privacy discussion) is only threatened when data is appropriated in violation of normative expectations concerning how personal information will be appropriated and subsequently distributed. The former norm correlates with what is appropriate or fitting to reveal depending on context of the data collection – merely being in a public space does not mean that all information collections are appropriate (e.g. demanding to know a stranger’s name and not accepting ‘it’s none of your business’ as a response would be inappropriate, whereas giving one’s name to an employer would be appropriate) (Nissenbaum 2004: 120-121). The latter norm is meant to establish that there are some transmissions of personal data are acceptable whereas others are not; while I might expect a public ‘tweet’ to be reposted on Twitter, I might not expect it to be transferred into a databank that us used to develop detailed consumer profiles. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Helen Nissembaum would likely insist that citizen-solidarity (in terms of the privacy discussion) is only threatened when data is appropriated in violation of normative expectations concerning how personal information will be appropriated and subsequently distributed. The former norm correlates with what is appropriate or fitting to reveal depending on context of the data collection – merely being in a public space does not mean that all information collections are appropriate (e.g. demanding to know a stranger’s name and not accepting ‘it’s none of your business’ as a response would be inappropriate, whereas giving one’s name to an employer would be appropriate) (Nissenbaum 2004: 120-121). The latter norm is meant to establish that there are some transmissions of personal data are acceptable whereas others are not; while I might expect a public ‘tweet’ to be reposted on Twitter, I might not expect it to be transferred into a databank that us used to develop detailed consumer profiles. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on (Individual) Privacy and Freedom by Technology, Thoughts, and Trinkets &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Twitter and Statutory Notions of Privacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Technology, Thoughts, and Trinkets &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Twitter and Statutory Notions of Privacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 10:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (and can be read as implicitly laying the groundwork for a right to privacy), theorists such as Alan Westin attempt to justify a claim to privacy that would operate as the bedrock for a right to privacy. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on How to &#8216;Engage&#8217; Privacy? by Colin</title>
		<link>http://christopher-parsons.com/readingprivacy/introductions/how-to-engage-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, but saying that the concept is &quot;large&quot; (broad) is different from saying that it is opaque.  One can define broad concepts in clear terms which allow one to specifiy the empirical referents.  I would also suggest that the perennial complaint that privacy is opaque or &quot;protean&quot; is often made by those interested in discrediting its importance.   Nobody can define it, therefore why try to protect it.   I think Gaavison has some important responses to these conceptual issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, but saying that the concept is &#8220;large&#8221; (broad) is different from saying that it is opaque.  One can define broad concepts in clear terms which allow one to specifiy the empirical referents.  I would also suggest that the perennial complaint that privacy is opaque or &#8220;protean&#8221; is often made by those interested in discrediting its importance.   Nobody can define it, therefore why try to protect it.   I think Gaavison has some important responses to these conceptual issues.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to &#8216;Engage&#8217; Privacy? by Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin; I’ve begun trying to answer this in light of Westin’s use of the term.

At the moment, I’d be inclined to say that ‘privacy’ is large, insofar as the term is used to apply to a broad range of understandings of what privacy is, both conceptual and phenomenal. As a consequence, the term is incredibly opaque when quickly deployed in conversation and argumentation; clear, methodical exegesis of the term should preceed using the word in most cases in light of its multifaceted understandings and uses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin; I’ve begun trying to answer this in light of Westin’s use of the term.</p>
<p>At the moment, I’d be inclined to say that ‘privacy’ is large, insofar as the term is used to apply to a broad range of understandings of what privacy is, both conceptual and phenomenal. As a consequence, the term is incredibly opaque when quickly deployed in conversation and argumentation; clear, methodical exegesis of the term should preceed using the word in most cases in light of its multifaceted understandings and uses.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to &#8216;Engage&#8217; Privacy? by (Individual) Privacy and Freedom - Engaging Privacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>(Individual) Privacy and Freedom - Engaging Privacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my previous post, I noted that privacy is a particularly large, well/over-used concept that many people talk about, with Colin subsequently asking &#8220;large in definition? context? the term&#8217;s connotations, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on How to &#8216;Engage&#8217; Privacy? by Colin</title>
		<link>http://christopher-parsons.com/readingprivacy/introductions/how-to-engage-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the first question.   What does it mean to say that privacy is a &quot;large&quot; concept?   Large in its definition or in the empirical phenomena it refers to?  In its connotation or its denotation?   
Think about it.  

Colin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the first question.   What does it mean to say that privacy is a &#8220;large&#8221; concept?   Large in its definition or in the empirical phenomena it refers to?  In its connotation or its denotation?<br />
Think about it.  </p>
<p>Colin</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reading List by Colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris:   Great job on the website.  Thanks for your work. 

Colin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris:   Great job on the website.  Thanks for your work. </p>
<p>Colin</p>
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